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Molly 0:00
Hi. I'm Molly.
Matthew Amster-Burton 0:05
And I'm Matthew and this
Molly 0:06
is spilled milk, the show where we cook something delicious. Eat it all and you can't have any
Matthew Amster-Burton 0:10
and today we're talking about oat milk
Molly 0:12
That's right. It's Christmas everybody and Christmas, as Matthew is written at the top of our agenda Christmas equals oat milk
Matthew Amster-Burton 0:19
for as long as I can remember, like, like, oat milk would come pouring down the chimney like the blood in the elevator in The Shining. And then we would know it was Christmas. It was It was especially weird in the 80s when the oat milk hadn't been invented yet but we knew and then and then someone would say yours Johnny
meat you just imagined Santa up there with a big bag of it just said with a mischievous grin.
slimed another one
Molly 1:09
oh my god.
Matthew Amster-Burton 1:10
eautiful time of year
Molly 1:14
Christmas and Happy New Year
Matthew Amster-Burton 1:16
and then then the morning it would be it would
Molly 1:18
be Kwanzaa
Matthew Amster-Burton 1:21
Yeah. All the things all of the oat milk holidays.
Molly 1:25
All the oat milk holidays. Yeah. Why don't you use oat milk for your holiday season?
Matthew Amster-Burton 1:29
I mean, I guess like I dip my cookies into it.
Molly 1:32
Mold it's what I drink. While I'm out caroling.
Matthew Amster-Burton 1:39
I you know, I just I just like put like a double shot of vodka into my oat milk.
Molly 1:44
Oh, that's what they call like a white
Matthew Amster-Burton 1:48
drink white.
Molly 1:52
If okay, if a White Russian is vodka and milk
Matthew Amster-Burton 1:57
and what you ordered a White Russian it was just vodka and milk. That's terrifying. I've
Molly 2:08
never had a white rush. Oh, I
Matthew Amster-Burton 2:10
have it's I mean, it's good. Okay, wait,
Molly 2:13
hold on. What about so what is it if it's not good oat milk,
Matthew Amster-Burton 2:17
just vodka and oat milk. It would be it'd be like a white. Like, what's a country that's really associated with oats? America, Ireland. Yeah, yeah, like,
Molly 2:27
Okay, so the white Irishman
Matthew Amster-Burton 2:33
probably problematic in some way. Okay, all right. Well, we'll workshop that.
Molly 2:38
Okay. All right. Well, Matthew, what's what's on your memory lane? I mean, other than all your Christmas
Matthew Amster-Burton 2:44
babies, mostly that and like, like how, like the crustiness of the rug like a couple of days later would really that's really what felt makes me feel like the holiday season to me. We haven't had one of those. I think honestly, I first tried oat milk when we did our alternative milks episode years ago and tried like hemp milk and rice milk and stuff.
Molly 3:10
I was so disgusted during that episode. I remember milk was really bad. I remember that one being a tough one for me. I mean, nothing can compare to the sour cream episode where I think you and I were both on the verge of vomiting.
Matthew Amster-Burton 3:24
And for me, nothing can compare to the scary food episode.
Molly 3:26
I forgotten what was Oh, my scary food was not toe right. Did I eat any?
Matthew Amster-Burton 3:32
Yeah, and mine was egg salad. And I like a microscopic amount.
Molly 3:35
Okay. Anyway, oat milk is one of the few so I don't know I just I have always found the idea of milk when it is used for things that don't come out of an animal I've always found it to be a little bit off putting like muscle milk. Muscle Milk is the most off putting of milk. I should also say that while researching this episode, I encountered the term non human milks for possibly the first time ever
Matthew Amster-Burton 4:05
and does that not include milk? Like any any other mammal and non animal milk?
Molly 4:11
Any non human milk? Okay. Yeah, I had not thought of human milk. I think also I usually hear that as breast milk. Yeah. Which is kind of dumb because that it chickens have breasts.
Matthew Amster-Burton 4:24
Do they? Chicken? Okay. I was thinking okay, yes, I was, but I was thinking like, like, they don't like nipples nipples, but like the baby chicks suck a lot. And for a second I was like, Wait, do they or do they not? I know. I now I know.
Molly 4:43
Anyway, but yeah, I had never heard of it as human milk, which also sounds like for some reason it makes me think of like human growth hormone or sure. Anyway, but yeah, so today we're talking about the non human milk that is oat milk.
Matthew Amster-Burton 4:58
And I feel Like oat milk was one of our favorites when we did the nonhuman milks.
Molly 5:05
Oat Milk is for me possibly the most delicious of non human milks.
Matthew Amster-Burton 5:13
Yeah, like I would go Yeah, humans obviously got the top then cows. Yeah then then gorilla then cow, Chicken Chicken Chicken milk which is also white muscle. All right, this is a pretty good ranking.
Molly 5:31
Okay, but anyway, I think that other than our like plant based milk episode or whatever the heck we called that non soy milks are
Matthew Amster-Burton 5:39
called alternative milks. Like, like the same way like MTV, like started calling everything alternative 19 Id
Molly 5:48
Yeah, alternative nation. Did you prefer headbangers ball or like 180 minutes? 120 minutes
Matthew Amster-Burton 5:54
for sure. I would if it had been 180 minutes I would have watched that last hour
Molly 6:04
what about alternative nation?
Matthew Amster-Burton 6:05
I liked alternative nation but But 120 minutes was like my show. Yeah, I think it was the host of this show. Literally.
Molly 6:12
To give him a loan. I can my art went on. Yeah, for three hours.
Matthew Amster-Burton 6:20
Yeah, there was so many things I still listen to today. I first heard on 120 minutes.
Molly 6:23
Do you remember the video for sober by tool? Yes. God. I will. That was That is like seared into my brain. I think that I watched that video 100 times the summer before my freshman year of high school.
Matthew Amster-Burton 6:38
Yeah, no, I remember like so many videos. This is this is like just an old man like talking about the old days. But like, you know, I remember when they debuted this. This Smells Like Teen Spirit video. I remember when they debuted the video the head on by the Pixies. I was like, I think this pixies album is gonna be pretty good. And it was I
Molly 6:56
don't remember ever seeing a pixies video.
Matthew Amster-Burton 6:58
I mean, they're not really known for their videos, but that I mean, that's a funny video. Like it's just like some goofy like camera tricks basically, while they're playing the song.
Molly 7:07
Do you remember that old Phil Collins song that had all the like, the puppets of like Ronald Reagan usually end of confusion was always kind of pulled that was like a strangely distressing video. I mean, it was designed to be that but that was like the real early days that was before 180 or 120. was on that was
Matthew Amster-Burton 7:29
that was must have been like of the same year as the sledge hammer. Yes, Peter gave up.
Molly 7:34
You know, I got so tired of REM losing my religion. I'm so tired of it. Like all these years later, I have not recovered from my fatigue. Yeah, that they showed it several times so many times. Okay, back to oat milks. So I have actually been drinking a fair amount of oat milk lately, okay, in the form of so my spouse really enjoys Starbucks, in part because they really liked the various like food and snacks they have there. And especially during Ashley's pregnancy when they have been suddenly hit with like nausea and weird hungers and things. They've spent a lot of cash at Starbucks. When I go to Starbucks, what I like is the iced brown sugar, oat milk shake and espresso. It's such a great, it's so good. For sure it has the longest and dumbest name. It's so delicious. I recommend it with two pumps of brown sugar syrup instead of three. Okay, that is the perfect sweetness. It is so good. And the oat milk has a really odd flavor like It tastes like
Matthew Amster-Burton 8:39
nourishing I feel weird saying the word pumps. Really? Yeah.
Molly 8:45
Do you remember when high heels were often called pumps? I do they're not still I think that only like only you know if you were alive to watch the land of confusion Vidya you are allowed to call
Matthew Amster-Burton 8:58
them I remember the term fuck me pumps.
Molly 9:00
Oh my Yes, my aunt Millicent was there fuck me pumps.
Matthew Amster-Burton 9:03
Okay. Those are the two most discordant things like like the greatest juxtaposition.
Molly 9:13
Millicent pumps actually she called them fuck me heels and Millicent. I know isn't that a great name?
Matthew Amster-Burton 9:19
And Millicent sounds like like she's like 100 years old. And he's never never like said a cuss word. And yeah, that was not at all. No, I
Molly 9:28
love this about her. Yeah, it was I don't know if I mentioned this on the show. But her so she passed away when she was in her 40s Okay, this is the sad part. And then her husband passed away a couple years ago. And when he died, I helped to clear out his house. Yes. And he was a subscriber to Playboy for decades. And anyway, so
Matthew Amster-Burton 9:55
a lot of fuckery pumps and
Molly 9:58
many Playboy In that house and we sold them on offer up first ash got kicked off of offer up for selling. And then we managed to sell them anyway and some dude rolled up in his Tesla and gave us $200 In cash for like, bins and bins full of old playboys.
Matthew Amster-Burton 10:19
That's great. How it was great. How far into them. Do you think he's gotten?
Molly 10:23
Not far? Okay. Yeah, but they were in great condition. I gotta tell ya. Yeah,
Matthew Amster-Burton 10:28
I was just gonna like lay out a pretty gross scenario. So I'll save it. Yeah,
Molly 10:32
don't but anyway at Millicent my aunt Millicent that you know, like that was her. That was her guy.
Matthew Amster-Burton 10:39
In what context? Would you use the phrase fuck me heels. Oh, she
Molly 10:42
would just be getting dressed. And you know, she she just referred to them nonchalantly as her. Fuck me here. That's
Matthew Amster-Burton 10:47
wonderful. Yes,
Molly 10:48
she was absolutely that kind of wonderful person. Okay,
Matthew Amster-Burton 10:51
you're gonna strive to be a little more Millicent.
Molly 10:54
Okay. Excellent. What about you, Matthew, when did you first try oat milk.
Matthew Amster-Burton 10:59
Pretty sure it was during that nonhuman milks episode and then like you know, I've like occasionally ordered it in a in a coffee drink since then. And always enjoyed it like absolutely of like the alternative milks that they offer. Like I know, I think almond milk is still very popular at the moment. Yeah, we're
Molly 11:16
going to talk more about it. But like, oat milk. Absolutely.
Matthew Amster-Burton 11:19
My favorite flavor wise. Oh, yes. Big time. You know, it's not it. It has like the body that I'm looking for. But it like brings its own flavor that works really well in a coffee drink. The only other place that I've used it like i i have occasionally like bought it and put it on my cereal when I was like using it for a recipe. And the recipe that I'm thinking of is on the on the walks of life blog. They have a recipe for tonton man, which is spicy ramen. And the broth is essentially half oat milk, half chicken broth, and then you and then you like spice it up with with some like spicy pork. And I was like, Is that gonna be good? And it's really good. That sounds off putting to me. Can you taste the oat milk? Yeah, but I really liked it. Well, it's kind of like how a lot
Molly 12:05
of people there was kind of a trend there for a while of savory oatmeals. And I feel like that kind of uses oat flavor to a different end. From what most of us I never
Matthew Amster-Burton 12:16
got into savory oatmeal teenager the show December did and would sometimes make themselves for breakfast. Like steel cut oats with soy sauce, chilli oil, ginger and scallions. Wow. Wow, it was an I would like taste it and be like, like, I enjoy one bite of this, but I don't want a whole bowl of it.
Molly 12:36
Okay. Okay. So I want to talk about what oat milk is, please.
Matthew Amster-Burton 12:40
So I have like an idea of how it might be made that is probably divorced from reality. No,
Molly 12:46
no, I think you're probably right. It's it is very simple. I mean, made in commercial settings. Of course, it's not going to be simple. But I think that most of us could probably make this in our own house. I don't know if it'd be as good. But anyway, basically, it's a plant milk that is derived from taking whole oat grains, right. And you're kind of extracting all the flavor and some of the body from them with water. Yeah. So it has a pretty creamy texture, a mild oat flavor. And apparently so it's interesting, according to Wikipedia, like other plant milks, like soy milk, have origins dating back to the 1200s. And I might have thought swing milk would be older. I think I didn't research this
Matthew Amster-Burton 13:32
is probably one of these things where we just don't know for sure that that's that's when like references a written references start to appear. But then before that there are like references to things that could be this or could be something else.
Molly 13:44
Anyway, so some other plant milks are really old and compared to that oat milk is a relatively new thing in terms of being known as, like oat milk. Okay. So what we call oat milk today was developed in the early 1990s by a Swedish scientist whose name Matthew is going to attempt to pronounce Ricard Wooster. Okay, he invented oat milk. I always feel it feel like it's weird when you have like a totally normal thing like oats and water. And somebody gets to claim inventing their union.
Matthew Amster-Burton 14:18
Yeah, although at the same time, I'm just happy that no one's saying it was an accident. Okay, that's right. That's right. It doesn't have that strike like it was carrying a sack of oats and it fell into the into the swimming pool.
Molly 14:31
Anyway, so this guy, Ricard, Oh, sister
Matthew Amster-Burton 14:34
after
Molly 14:37
he, quote, unquote, invented oat milk while working as a food scientist at Lund University. This is in Sweden, and he was researching lactose intolerance and sustainable food systems. Okay, so this all fits. He then went on to found the company Oatly in 1993, or 94.
Matthew Amster-Burton 14:55
Okay, but then no one ever heard of this until like, 2016. That's right. That's right. So like, how did what happened in the mean, in the meantime?
Molly 15:03
I don't really know. I mean, if you I did do a little bit of research into Oatly. And it's even somebody, would somebody go put some more interesting information on the Oatly Wikipedia page. It's basically just a whole bunch of corporate stuff about like mergers and acquisitions.
Matthew Amster-Burton 15:20
I do love it when you talk about mergers and acquisitions.
Molly 15:23
Anyway, but yeah, I don't really understand what was going on between 93 and 9493, or 94. And like, 2017, when the rest of us all started drinking or hearing about meal? Oh, yeah, it was I guess it was simmering during that time. It was it was anyway, oat milk became a big deal in the US I again, maybe it it became a big deal in Sweden. Long before this, it became a big deal in the US between 2017 and 2019. As of late 2020, the oat milk market became the second largest plant milk market in the US. I haven't
Matthew Amster-Burton 15:57
looked at our analytics recently, but maybe we're a big deal in Sweden, it just like haven't really broken out into the US market.
Molly 16:03
I think that's probably okay. Anyway, so as of late 2020, that like the biggest plant milk market in the US was almond milk, okay, after that was oat milk and even outselling soy milk, which to me seems really interesting. These things are
Matthew Amster-Burton 16:17
like really fatty, fad, fa fatty Why sorry, faddish, they're very badass. Like because there's no way oat milk is going to stay on top or almond milk is gonna stay on top like something else is gonna happen in a couple of years. And we're gonna be talking about
Molly 16:31
Well, I think it's interesting. So one thing that oatmeal does have going for it. And I wonder if at least for some people, this is a deciding factor in there using oat milk. Well, for one thing, I think it tastes better, it has more flavor than almond milk, I agree. But also compared to cow's milk and other plant based milks and
Matthew Amster-Burton 16:55
other based milks.
Molly 16:58
Oat Milk has a relatively low environmental impact, because I see that you put charts in the agenda takes relatively little land and water to produce oat milk. I mean, this is pretty interesting. So here's a chart I found on Wikipedia about water use for different types of milk. So in making cow's milk to make 200 grams of cow's milk, you need 131 litres of water. Whoa, okay. Almond milk. 7400 grams is like a cup. That's right. Almond milk, that would be 74 liters. So still a lot. Rice Milk, 56 liters. Oat Milk, nine liters. Okay, soy milk, two liters. So in terms of water consumption, oat milk and soy milk are both pretty, pretty smart. In terms of greenhouse gas emissions per 200 grams of milk type. Definitely the highest is cow's milk, followed by rice milk, soy milk, and then oat milk. All right, which is like a it seems like what a little less than a third of the greenhouse gas emissions per per quantity to cow's milk to cow's milk. Okay, so I think that's interesting to think about. You know, as we record this episode on like, an 80 degree day in October in Seattle. Yeah.
The other thing that I think is making oat milk more popular right now is that it apparently foams really well. Like you know, with a steamer wand kind of thing. Yeah, I
Matthew Amster-Burton 18:32
think I feel like teenager the show December has confirmed that they worked until until recently as a barista. I don't believe anything until a teenager of the show. Yeah, no, no, no, we all have our facts. Get run run across their desk.
Molly 18:46
Anyway, it also mixes into other beverages well, because it doesn't separate out like olive oil. What milks don't mix well into other beverages?
Matthew Amster-Burton 18:57
I yeah, I don't know. Yeah, like like, oil oil milks. Okay. Anyway, like whipped butter.
Molly 19:06
Oh, but what about yak butter? Yak Butter. What proof coffee? Right? Yeah. Okay.
Matthew Amster-Burton 19:12
I don't think I've ever tried that. I have not tried. Okay, we should probably do an episode especially now that that no one cares about it anymore.
Molly 19:18
So Matthew, let's talk about how oat milk is made. And you can tell me whether this is what you thought it was. Okay, so Okay, when you've got oat grains, they have to be processed to remove the outer hole, which is the same thing that happens before we ever get them. Oh.
Matthew Amster-Burton 19:33
That was before before we emerge. I like
Molly 19:38
I have to have my whole array processed once a year. Oh, that's really tough.
Matthew Amster-Burton 19:42
And I was thinking like more like an amniotic sac. But, ya know,
Molly 19:47
oh, grains. I think most of us probably have not seen them in their whole state because they're indigestible,
Matthew Amster-Burton 19:54
and the whole state is groats right or no growth growth is like after it's been hauled but still whole. I think
Molly 20:00
I don't know okay, but anyway so basically you take your wow you take your grains you process them to take off the outer haul then the grains are stirred with warm water and ground into a slurry this sounds to me a lot like oatmeal then the slurry is treated
Matthew Amster-Burton 20:19
like grounded do a slurry that's where like cream of
Molly 20:23
Oh well that seems like instant oatmeal okay yeah, okay the slurry is then treated with enzymes and heat to create a quote thick liquid oat base
Matthew Amster-Burton 20:33
okay, I don't I don't think I would have guessed the treated with enzymes
Molly 20:36
yeah and get this at this point. Other enzymes might be added or the temperature might even be increased in an effort to extract more nutrients from the solid okay, then the liquid is separated from the solids through decanting or filtration or a centrifuge.
Matthew Amster-Burton 20:53
Oh gotta go said your views. Why would you use one or the other I now have a central
Molly 20:57
seriously and then other ingredients get added like fortifying vitamins sweeteners, flavorings, salt, etcetera. Because of course as you might imagine, oat milk has you know, lower proportions of some nutrients than I was sure for instance, so some of those things get added in and tada basically at this point, you've got your final product so you have this like slurry that gets treated with enzymes and he to kind of draw out all the good stuff. Then it gets centrifuge okay to separate the liquid from the solid.
Matthew Amster-Burton 21:29
Alright, so I guess except for the enzyme part that's that's basically I mean, here's how I imagined it happening that they take the good you take the bad you take them both and then you add and then you add the enzymes Did you like watch a video of oat milk being made now?
Molly 21:48
Do you know what speaking of song lyrics yesterday ash and I
Matthew Amster-Burton 21:52
were listening already forgot the amazing song lyrics we came up with earlier today.
Molly 21:56
Yesterday ash and I were driving and I never listened to the radio but we were listening to the radio and they played beat it by Michael Jackson. Sure. And
Matthew Amster-Burton 22:05
I own your name near Well,
Molly 22:06
it sounds like he says like call me hot pocket heat it just we listened to it like three times. And it's perfect. Call me hot pocket. He did just right. It doesn't matter except them were rhyming right with right. But you could do that in the 80s. That's true. You could run kiss with Kiss if you were if you were Skid Row. Yes. Which which I am. Yes, you are. You're Sebastian Bach. Okay,
Matthew Amster-Burton 22:35
my name is Skid Row.
Molly 22:36
Anyway, Matthew, do you ever buy this stuff? Do you ever drink it?
Matthew Amster-Burton 22:40
I bought some this morning. I like I bought it to make that ramen recipe and I bought some this morning because we are doing an episode on it. When we have you heard
Molly 22:51
Do you so you said you sometimes order it in coffee drinks? Yeah, what makes you do that?
Matthew Amster-Burton 22:55
Usually because they have put it on the menu board and it sounds good either in like a particular specialty drink like the Starbucks one you mentioned that I already forgot the name of or like, you know, there'll be like a new drink at at eight is books. That's, you know, like the I don't want to like make up a drink and attributed to them but like something, something with coffee and oat milk and like that sounds good. And sometimes I'll just like ask for it in a latte because it sounds good.
Molly 23:19
I've never had it in coffee other than that kind of elaborate drink at Starbucks which also has cinnamon in it and stuff that that pumps that plays real and pumps, me pumps that plays really well with the flavor of the oat milk, so I'm curious to revisit it on its own
Matthew Amster-Burton 23:35
try just like an oat milk latte because it's really tasty.
Molly 23:38
Does it feel kind of nourishing the way that oat milk does in the iced brown sugar, oat milk shake and espresso. Okay, cool. This episode is not sponsored
Matthew Amster-Burton 23:48
by Starbucks by the word by Oatley or by
Molly 23:51
this episode is actually not sponsored by anyone except Except our listeners are paying listeners. Thank you guys.
Matthew Amster-Burton 23:58
I mean, you might hear an ad on the show.
Molly 24:01
Matthew, do you want to get the oat milk out okay, now I've got beat it stuck in my head. They're near me or near near near near near near near whoopee doo doo B dd dd D dd dd dd dd dd got only has really good package really good pack. I mean, whoever designed this was brilliant because I kind of wonder how much of their market dominance is the packaging. This packaging is designed to appeal to people to their demographic perfectly.
Matthew Amster-Burton 24:37
Yeah. Which is which is like aging hipsters like us.
Molly 24:41
Yeah, I mean, it's like not even particularly well designed in terms of showcasing the product name. Yeah, it's a little hard to find the product name here.
Matthew Amster-Burton 24:50
They put a hyphen in the product name for unnecessarily.
Molly 24:53
I know. It's crazy and I love it. All right. Okay.
Matthew Amster-Burton 24:58
Yeah, I feel like so definitely The marketing is part of it. I do feel like when we tried when we did our original episode, we tried a different brand of oat milk because like Oatly hadn't become like a well known brand in the US yet. Which like support me, so, nope.
Molly 25:13
I was gonna let you pour yourself. Oh, I
Matthew Amster-Burton 25:15
want to I wanted to mention I remembered to shake the box this time, which I know I got in trouble on a previous episode for not checking the box.
Molly 25:23
Okay, God for some reason. I'm kind of grossed out by drinking this, but the
Matthew Amster-Burton 25:27
color is is tan. You know, this is really good. It's unsweetened.
Molly 25:31
Right? This unsweetened tastes to me. Like what? sweetened soy milk tastes like? Okay,
Matthew Amster-Burton 25:38
I got that. I'm so good. But it's got its it does have like, like an odd back note. That's right.
Molly 25:45
I don't think I want to drink that. Well, I
Matthew Amster-Burton 25:47
don't want to drink a glass of milk either. And like No, no shade on anyone who does?
Molly 25:52
No, no. Okay, but grow up. Yeah, that stuff's tasty. I feel like it how much was this? This is an O cord. It was
Matthew Amster-Burton 26:01
it was like $6. Okay.
Molly 26:05
All right. So it's like twice as much as milk then because I feel like a half gallon of milk might be six a half gallon of like organic. Yeah, milk might be $6. So yeah. a gallon of organic milk. That would be $6. No, I
Matthew Amster-Burton 26:19
think it would be more. Yeah. Yeah, no, no, it would be more so yeah. So it's like twice as much.
Molly 26:26
I'm so confused by what's written on the side of this. Oh, a tea. Hyphen l EY exclamation mark. Pod. They have just made this packaging as difficult as possible. Yeah,
Matthew Amster-Burton 26:37
they're really like leaning into making you work for it. Yeah. And I like it. I'm ready to work for it. i On top of that, shake me and I did I shook me. Okay. I shook me all night long. Yes.
Molly 26:48
Me too. I shook you all night long. Thanks.
Matthew Amster-Burton 26:52
Thanks for doing that. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't I got a terrible night's sleep Yeah, that's that's a classic classic saga about that. Like you look at a different way where you're middle aged you're just like, I don't want to be shaken all night log might be shaken 20 minutes
Molly 27:15
shaken for like 20 minutes yesterday afternoon. Okay, it was pretty good. Pretty well. That
Matthew Amster-Burton 27:20
sounds great. Yeah, but I slept later in the day. Yeah, no, that's that's that's the way to do it. I think okay. All right. Let's go. Do we have anything else to say about oh, well,
Molly 27:28
we have nothing else I'm gonna read spilled mail today.
From listener Amber, loved the bistro night episode in our house, we have what my spouse has dubbed southern night. I grew up in Georgia and my spouse grew up in Illinois, I often make what I've always referred to as a veg plate, something that is common in cafes and meat in three places in the south. I do most of the cooking in my house and each week make a menu I used to write veg plate for when I plan to make this meal and my spouse would say excitedly Yes, Southern nights. Since we cook vegetarian meals at home southern night is really a better descriptor for the meal since it's a specific formula of veg and starch. Here's what southern night is always vinegary greens, always some kind of starch, rice, corn bread or biscuits, some kind of bean usually black eyed peas, and two to three other vegetables or fruit such as sauteed, carrots, sweet potatoes, stewed and sliced tomatoes, pickled beets, green beans, cooked apples, fried green tomatoes, or okra, or mac and cheese. Yes. It's a veg, corn or squash, and joy with hot sauce.
Matthew Amster-Burton 28:39
Amber. That sounds delicious. Amber. Oh, good.
Molly 28:42
Oh my god. Also, this is a lot of different things to make in one night, right? So we got we got the greens, we got to start to get a bean and two to three other vegetables or fruit.
Matthew Amster-Burton 28:52
Yeah. Like, it feels doable to me up until I get to the two or three other vegetables or fruit and to be like, Okay, I'm gonna do this, and I'm just gonna skip that. It's still gonna be great.
Molly 29:02
Oh, this is fantastic. I feel inspired.
Matthew Amster-Burton 29:05
Yeah, me too. This sounds this sounds like a great meal. And yeah, I don't know what else what else can we say?
Molly 29:11
Maybe? Maybe 2023 will be the year of southern night. And you have
Matthew Amster-Burton 29:16
like, first of all, if you have any spilled mail get in touch but if you have a like a named food night in your house that comes up like not as a holiday, but just like you know, just because it's Tuesday and we wanted it to be you know, blow Tuesday. Never hurts heard you just come up with it. Wow. Yeah. See if we can make that happen. Yeah. So yeah, if you celebrate Taco Tuesday, contact, it's filled out. podcast.com Okay, Molly, do you have a now but wow,
Molly 29:45
I sure do. So I'm a little slow on the uptake here. But in August of this year, the podcast song exploder started doing this mini series that I'm pretty pumped about. It's called Book exploder and kind of like the formula of song exploder, where the host Rishi cast her way, chooses an artist and a song to kind of unpack and talk through the creative process of what book exploiter does, is that she's an author and a book and they break down just a passage from the book talks about the creative process behind it. So, what's a little different about book exploder? Other than that, it's not about songs about books is that so it's introduced by both Rishi cash her way and Susan Orlean, the novelist Susan Orlean, and then Susan Orlean does the interviewing. So, anyway, each episode features a different book and author for me, it's like the perfect length podcast. It's like 20 minutes. Yeah, I like a short one. And as of this taping, so far, they had done Minjin Lee and Pachinko, Michael Cunningham and the hours Carmen Maria Machado and in the dream house, which if you have not read it, you should. It's fantastic and wildly innovative memoir. And then Terry Jones and an American marriage, which is a fantastic actually, I've read all the books they've done so far. Yeah. So you can find out more at book exploiter.com Or if you already subscribe to Song exploder book exploiters probably been showing up in your feed. Yeah,
Matthew Amster-Burton 31:21
or just like, subscribe, wherever you get your podcasts. I've been listening to book exploiter also, it's great. At first when I was announced, I didn't get what the premise was going to be. And I was like, I've kind of heard these authors talk about their books before. And I don't need to like do it again. But this is totally different because they are really taking apart a very tiny piece of the book and showing how it works.
Molly 31:39
And it's you know, it's interesting to hear what passage they choose. It's not necessarily what I might expect. It's not necessarily like a big action passage. Yeah. So yeah, so that's book exploder. And you can find it wherever you find podcasts.
Matthew Amster-Burton 31:54
Alright, our exploiter is Abby, sir. Catella.
Molly 31:57
That's right. Abby not only explodes us, but she puts us back together again.
Matthew Amster-Burton 32:01
Oh, that's so sweet. Yeah. Do you want to do want to plug your newsletter? Sure. I totally do it. But you can do it. You know, it's
Molly 32:07
been almost a year now since I started my newsletter. I have a substack newsletter. It is called. I've got a feeling you can find it and subscribe at Molly Weisenberg. Wow, Molly Weisenberg Zott. At Molly weisenberg.substack.com,
Matthew Amster-Burton 32:24
please rate and review us wherever you get your podcasts and chill out with other listeners at reddit.com/are/everything spilled milk. It's a supportive community where you can talk about the show. Yah, yah.
Molly 32:36
Well, Merry Christmas and all the other winter holidays everybody. Whatever you celebrate happy holiday and
Matthew Amster-Burton 32:44
whatever comes down your chimney this year. Embrace it, embrace it,
Molly 32:48
let it get crusty roll around in it.
Matthew Amster-Burton 32:52
It's make this make this year like the crusty is the crusty is chimney of all Yeah, by Matthew Amster-Burton. And
Molly 32:59
I'm Molly Weissenberg.
Matthew Amster-Burton 33:07
Yes
Is there a word for being Eagle like is it aquiline? No, that's
Molly 33:19
maybe like like phallus. Aqua Linnaeus like aquiline vagina.
Matthew Amster-Burton 33:27
What would that be? Well,
Molly 33:30
talons
Matthew Amster-Burton 33:33
fine. Okay, yeah, yeah, an aquiline nose as a human nose with a prominent bridge giving the appearance of being curved or slightly bent comes from the Latin word Aquila, Aquila, anus an allusion to the curved beak of an eagle. Wow. Okay, so yeah, so So vagina Aquila. And I guess Okay, Abby, keep leave all that in God. Okay.