Happy 14th Birthday to us! Today we celebrate by rolling back the rocher as we discuss these luxurious hollow spheres of chocolate. Our party is full of ambassadors, tycoons and wet rocks as we aim for attainable extravagance and end up prolonging the holiday season.
Youtube video about how they’re made
How Ferrero Rocher chocolates were inspired by the Virgin Mary
How Ferrero Rocher Became a Status Symbol for Immigrant Families
Molly's Now but Wow! - It’s a Holiday Soul Party, Sharon King & the Dap-Kings (2015)
Molly 0:00
Hi. I'm Molly. And I'm Matthew and this is spilled milk, the show where we cook something delicious. Eat it all and you
Matthew Amster-Burton 0:09
can't have any and today we're talking about Ferreira rochet That's right.
Molly 0:14
We talked a little bit about Ferrero the company when we did the Nutella episode. So if you haven't listened to that one, you might enjoy listening to it before this one because we're going to be referring to the the owners of the Ferrero company and that kind of thing and you can get sort of the history of the company, which I actually thought was pretty interesting.
Matthew Amster-Burton 0:37
It was too but I know I thought it was interesting at the time Yeah, so shall we go down memory lane let's do alright, so I remember having these occasionally as a kid and I thought of them very much in the same context as Lindor balls of like of like this is like the fancy candy that you can get at the drugstore and like so you would never like go in and say like you know you might go in with your with your parent and say like I want a Snickers bar you never go in and say like I want some fresh crochets like That's
Molly 1:07
right. It is it is interesting because yeah it's it's in a very different category from for instance, like Godiva, which was a you know, mass marketed luxury chocolate product but this is like the the drugstore luxury chocolate
Matthew Amster-Burton 1:23
like even as a kid like I got the sense that it was something more special than like a Whitman sampler or Russell Stover Big time, big time. And like we did with Whitman's sampler, right it was like Okay, right. Like I think of the Russell Stover is as big trash
Molly 1:39
nut. Yes. I think of Russell Stover as actually so I really like some of the Russell Stover. I'm glad because someone's young I like the individually wrapped like chocolate covered marshmallow shapes. Okay. I even like the ones that are like raspberry flavored marshmallow and what okay, I
Matthew Amster-Burton 1:57
don't think I've ever had a Russell Stover marshmallow.
Molly 2:00
I love that. Okay, well anyway, forever. O'Shea, we're gonna I mean, this product is really interesting. Okay, what's your memory lane? Okay, well, my memory lane is similar to yours in that I think that I encountered these as something that was very fancy. And as I recall, I first had them at my host family's house in France, must have been around Christmas time. I had two younger host brothers. They were five and seven, five and seven. And wow, Matthew is opening this already. Anyway. And I remember my host brothers were like, in all when for rochet showed up in the house, because it was very like it was considerably fancy. And I remember being quite surprised at some point later when I went to the store and discovered that actually, they were just fancy by like grocery store standard. Yeah,
Matthew Amster-Burton 2:55
I'm kind of surprised that it's showing up in France because like, except Except that you mentioned it on the Nutella episode. I think I would have guessed that it was like an American thing with a European ish name. Oh,
Molly 3:04
but it's not right. Yeah, no, I think I think some of the cachet of this comes from the fact that it is you know, fine European Chocolate
Matthew Amster-Burton 3:14
Crunch and into one right now. Okay, well, so
Molly 3:16
for people who maybe haven't had one dessert so good. I know they're really good. So for people who haven't had one, so you've probably seen the displays of them especially around the holidays. They are always wrapped in gold foil. They always have a tiny white sticker that says Ferreira rochet. And they're nestled in like a brown like paper liner like a muffin
Matthew Amster-Burton 3:40
cup. Yes. Which is which is glued to the, to the foil to the foil so that when you like take the cup off, the foil opens up. It's kind of clever packaging.
Molly 3:49
Okay, that's really cool. So well when you unwrap it. What it looks like is kind of a large spherical truffle. Yeah, a little smaller than a golf ball maybe. And it's coated in milk chocolate and chopped hazelnuts. And then when you bite in, like just under that outer coating is a wafer shell like a hollow like sphere of wafer cookie stuff. And inside that is this almost like Nutella like creamy hazelnut chocolate? Yep. And at the very center of that creamy chocolate stuff is a whole roasted hazelnut. Brilliant. And that is the Freya rochet I highly recommend going to the Wikipedia page for for rochet because you will see that people have taken pictures of them in their various layers. Yeah, sure. Very gratifying.
Matthew Amster-Burton 4:42
I see that the various layers are like wrapped, unwrapped, and then cross section. Did anyone like try and shave off? Yeah, the outer layer.
Molly 4:50
So this is this picture is available on like a different Wikipedia page, the one I've included today, but on the Wikipedia page for forever rochet There is a picture of what the wafer okay sphere looks like when you take off the milk chocolate. I was just imagining somebody like just meticulously shaving the milk chocolate off. Yeah, sure. And then there's a picture of what happens when you remove the wafer. Smear and it looks like just a little chocolate balls seems kind of obscene.
Matthew Amster-Burton 5:21
It does seem obscene. It must have been like a real like feat of industrial engineering to make a spherical wafer.
Molly 5:28
We're gonna get there and Okay, great, huh? Okay, hold on. Right off the bat. I just want to say the wafer texture feels really special. With the flavor of hazelnut and chocolate it really like it tastes fancy. Yeah. Right. Oh my god and the wafer texture. So good. Mm hmm. Okay, so Ferreira, the company is super secretive about the production process. These bad boys out for rochet is machine made from start to finish for a long time. They didn't allow smartphones or notebooks in the production facilities, notebook computers or actual notebooks. Wikipedia said notebooks Okay, and few journalists have ever been invited to visit and I found this YouTube video that claims to we can link to it on the show it claims to you know, walk you through how they're made. And honestly, it has some footage that was recorded in for Arrow production facilities like you can watch this machine that is like very quickly like wrapping them in foil and spitting them out. Sure. But that's not the interesting part. But I could swear from watching this video that all of the like chocolate footage, all the like pre foil footage. It was just like stock footage you
Matthew Amster-Burton 6:45
that's my favorite Dead Girl Scout Cookie pre foils.
Molly 6:49
Anyway. So what I was able to find is that, basically, it's like there are these like sheets of wafer, and they're kind of pressed into like a half like a hemisphere is kind of what I was looking for like a hemisphere mold, sort of. So basically, they make to like hemisphere to hollow hemispheres of wafer. That makes sense. They get glued together. And I'm guessing super glue. Exactly. meat glue. And I'm guessing that the creamy stuff inside is maybe like injected in there. Yeah, could be I mean, it would have to go in I would think after the wafer was was
Matthew Amster-Burton 7:27
waiting to go in like what, like warm and malleable and then get kind of kind of slow work together.
Molly 7:33
I'm not sure I don't know. And then at some point, they've got to get the hazelnut in there unless they do it kind of like the like when you put a ship into a bottle.
Matthew Amster-Burton 7:42
Where it has little strings
Molly 7:45
where they can they can like inflate the hazelnut then they get it. Yeah.
Matthew Amster-Burton 7:52
Anyway, or maybe they grow it in there like like oh, you're Creek brandy right or
Molly 7:57
no or I was thinking like those melons that are the box shade. Yes. Box melons. Yes. That's that's that's how they get the hazelnut in for a roach. You
Matthew Amster-Burton 8:05
know? Maybe you're gonna get to this. Does anybody make knockoffs of these? Oh, yeah. Okay,
Molly 8:09
yeah. People try to make knockoffs all the time. And I'm sure that like I bet pretty much maybe
Matthew Amster-Burton 8:14
have had something sort of like it. I
Molly 8:16
think that like, makers of truffles all over the place have done their own knockoff version of this. And certainly if you search the internet for like a homemade for Arrow rochet recipe, you can absolutely find them. All right, for sure.
Matthew Amster-Burton 8:31
No, I'm not going to try making this at home or you know.
Molly 8:35
So I actually let's talk about about where the idea for this came from. Because this delighted me. I went deep on. Actually it's not hard to go deep on the history of forever rochet. So, the Ferriero company, if you listen to the Nutella episode, you will know that the company was created by Pietro Ferreira. I remember that. Yeah. His son Micheli took over in the 60s, I believe, when he passed away and it's Micheli who like really made the company big, big, big, big, big. All right, that makes sense. And part of how he did this was for rochet which sells almost 4 billion pieces per year. Wow. Yeah, no, I mean, it's the it's so it is a huge,
Matthew Amster-Burton 9:19
huge like every other person on earth eats at Ferreira rochet every year every year. Exactly.
Molly 9:25
Exactly. Anyway, so forever rochet is said to have been created by me Kelly Ferreira, the son of the company's founder and and the the one who made the company really big. It was introduced in Italy in 1979 and in other parts of Europe in 1982. Okay, I
Matthew Amster-Burton 9:43
think I would have guessed somewhat older than that. I would
Molly 9:45
have to I would have to the company hears this is interesting. I mean give you some idea of what a moneymaker this product Nutella have been. So today the company is run by me Kelly's son Joe Barney, I love getting to say all these Italian names. And Giovanni Ferreira is the richest person in Italy.
Matthew Amster-Burton 10:08
Okay, so when I saw this on the agenda I was like, even richer than that one guy is that guy, one guy still alive and I Silvio Berlusconi remember his name? So I googled who was that asshole who was the president of Italy came right up?
Molly 10:22
No doubt. Yeah, no,
Matthew Amster-Burton 10:25
I so he is dead.
Molly 10:27
I searched multiple sources, Forbes and one other like well ranking anyway yeah. Giovanni Ferreira was the richest man in Italy and either the 28th or the 38th richest person in the world. Yeah,
Matthew Amster-Burton 10:41
like, I mean, as far as like, I know, there are like a lot of like, very serious issues in in the chocolate industry. And yet, like, of all the ways to be a billionaire, if you're like a billionaire candy magnet, that seems like not the worst one.
Molly 10:57
I mean, it seems I mean, at least like you could you could maybe like, I don't know, live in a house with like, lickable wallpaper and you could probably have a great glass elevator and maybe you could give kids a lifetime supply of chocolate.
Matthew Amster-Burton 11:10
That's that's kind of what I was thinking. Yes. Yeah. And, and that, like, you know, if you come to the party, like you're gonna like, give out some good stuff. Like if Elon Musk comes to your party, like, what is Elon Musk gonna bring to your party like a bunch of bad ideas. This guy's just gonna hand out candy. Oh,
Molly 11:24
my God. I listened. Maybe in early December, I listened to an episode of The Daily where Andrew Sorkin or something was interviewing Elon Musk at some new like New York Business Conference. And I just I have no words. I have no words for the whole experience that was listening to that interview. I mean, I have a lot of words for this show. So I'm gonna go on my words. Okay, so back to me Kelly for Arrow and the creation of the Ferrero rochet Okay, so me Kelly Ferreira was a devout Roman Catholic and get this he named forever rochet after the rochet de massa bl, which is a rock Grotto in Lourdes France, where the Virgin Mary was said to have appeared to St. Bernadette Okay, okay, so Oh Shane is rock right rock or boulder Yeah. Okay there is a whole article about this about the boulder know about the articles. The article is called how Ferreira rochet chocolates were inspired by the Virgin Mary. Okay, great. But this is this I read this on the Roman Catholic news and information site. Alitalia How would I pronounce that? I don't know. I don't know either anyway, but you can also find it on Wikipedia and in other places. I mean, this is the origin story of for crochet. So according to the article, the quote hazelnut pocked surface of the for erosion bears more than a passing resemblance to the rock formation at Lourdes. Matthew, let's be the judges of that. Okay, flip over your agenda.
Matthew Amster-Burton 13:03
Oh, you put a picture of the rock in the jet not not the rock. Sure. I
Molly 13:08
think it's an illustrator. illustration. But
Matthew Amster-Burton 13:11
yes, it does look like it. I think this is a stretch. I don't know. We just cut what it like you can almost even see like where the Hazel that would go. I have totally sold on this. And in fact, our religious man
Molly 13:27
Okay, well, if our listeners would like to go see for themselves, this image came from this Roman Catholic news and information website and we'll link to it in the show notes. Anyway, so on the 50th anniversary of the company's founding, Michela was said to have pronounced the success of Ferreira we owe to Our Lady of Lourdes
Matthew Amster-Burton 13:47
is so then like, if you're if you're like a savvy business person, you got to think like, Okay, this worked for us once like what what like, miracle can we turn into our next candy? Right? Yeah,
Molly 13:58
I mean, like, there's gotta be some sort of candy that can make a reference to like, healing people with leprosy. Yeah, or
Matthew Amster-Burton 14:06
raising the dead. Yes, there
Molly 14:09
we go. Roll back the stone. Roll back the rochet
Matthew Amster-Burton 14:14
Why is it all rock really? Awesome. Not sure. Okay. I guess back in biblical times rocks and was like most most of what people had, yeah,
Molly 14:22
they didn't have plastic right yet. Anyway, according to that same article Micheli for Arrow made an annual pilgrimage to Lourdes every year and always took along his top manager. What
Matthew Amster-Burton 14:39
did he did he like leave some Ferreira? crochets on the rock as an offering. Like park ranger. I'd still say stop doing that. Is there a park ranger park
Molly 14:48
ranger? Yeah, okay. Anyway, he also had a statue of the Virgin Mary placed in each of furrows production facilities around the world. I
Matthew Amster-Burton 14:58
feel like that's not very inclusive. Yeah, but also this is I was gonna say this is Italy but you just said around the world so it's not
Molly 15:05
okay and I want to get into that around the world okay? Because Ferrero has had a really interesting and I would say like very targeted marketing approach or like approach to brand placement that is particularly designed to appeal to immigrant communities. Okay. Okay, we're going to look at this so Farrah rochet is associated with Christmas this episode is coming out on what January 11 Yeah, hey, it's it's the the 14th anniversary of the show.
Matthew Amster-Burton 15:37
Wow, you did remember Okay, remember? Happy birthday to us. Happy birthday to ya for the show. Laurie? Happy birthday to trogdor the burnin ater. Yeah. Is it Lori's birthday on January 11? No, it's the 13th. But Oh, listen, it's the closest episode
Molly 15:52
and happy. Oh, no. The next episode will be closest to my son's birthday. I'm still getting used to having having a family member born in January Yeah.
Forever rochet is associated with Christmas. Perhaps even as you're listening to this, you have some kicking around from Christmas could be 61% of all Ferreira rochet sold annually are sold in the final three months of the year.
Matthew Amster-Burton 16:24
So that's that's a lot, but it's probably less than I would have guessed.
Molly 16:29
Yeah, I would have guessed maybe more like 70% Maybe. Anyway, but of course you know people buy tons of these things all year long. So yeah, I want to talk about how its marketed and why it is that we all think of this as like the fancy candy. when in truth, like I checked the price yesterday and you can get a 24 box of Ferreira rochet target for 1299 as of this taping, so about 50 cents each. Yep. Okay. So because of Ferreira rochet is relatively low price compared to other like quote unquote, fancy chocolates. And with the fact that it's really fancy
Matthew Amster-Burton 17:10
looking. And the whole, the whole experience like is very satisfying. So I gave Molly and gave meaning I bought and then I ate myself, the Christmas tree box for aerospace which why for the show Laurie would like remembered from her childhood and said you have to get the Christmas tree box. And like it's very satisfying to lift the top open and then like peel back the plastic and then you get to open the foil ball, which is very luxurious. Yeah,
Molly 17:36
so because of its low price combined with its like fancy appearance, and the fact that it's always positioned itself among like fancier chocolates. It became a status symbol among immigrant communities, particularly in the US, but also for instance, in mainland China for a long time forever. rochet was not available. And therefore it became like a coveted gift that if you were for instance, if you lived in Hong Kong, and you are going to do business in mainland China, you might take it as like a gift. Sure, but there's this fantastic Thrillist article by Liana agajanian. I believe she's an Armenian American writer, there is a Thrillist article about forever rochet and it's like being so beloved by immigrant community here. It's a fantastic article. Yeah,
Matthew Amster-Burton 18:26
I really enjoyed it.
Molly 18:27
So I'm gonna just quote from it a bit here because it's, it's fantastic. So this article says it was a secret handshake, a sign of respect and good taste. It was a symbol of the good life a tangible thing that vividly encapsulated social and economic aspirations. In a way no other food item could the gifting and receiving of a Ferreira rochet chocolate box 48 pieces, if you were lucky, was a secret universal language shared by immigrants in the 80s and 90s. It was a truth acknowledged amongst the hospitality laden cultures of their families. You never showed up to someone's house, whether they were strangers or family without a gift. And if the gift turned out to be forever rochet it was a surefire way to know you had almost literally struck gold with your house. I love this.
Matthew Amster-Burton 19:19
I love that this is the thing and that the thing is like it's just kind of the perfect level of luxury, right? That it's like attainable. It doesn't have to like you know, reflect or cause social stratification ad is actually tasty.
Molly 19:36
Yeah, yeah. The article also goes on to really talk about how forever rochet positioned itself for this. So again, I'm going to share an excerpt from the article. While other chocolate brands like Godiva marketed itself in luxury shopping centers for error rochet was easily found stacked in the aisles of ethnic supermarkets whose owners imported them from abroad and then eventually in an American drugstores like CVS and Rite Aid shinier and pricier than Whitman's or Russell Stover, and with a foreign flair that oozed European refinement, it was instant obtainable wealth. There's never been a fine chocolate like this before for rochet ads declared and we ate it right up. It was the perfect marketing ploy directed toward the perfect target audience and it worked. In an effort to achieve international chocolate domination for rochet set up plants and production centers in Eastern Europe, Asia, the Middle East and Africa, and further invaded the subconscious subconscious of Romanians, Yemenis, Indians, Armenians, Lebanese Chinese Nigerians and more who were attracted to its status as a luxurious imported foreign product. Nice. Matthew. Yes, we are going to need to watch an old Yes,
Matthew Amster-Burton 20:53
you mentioned this I will grab my computer. The thing Molly's about to eat that I just ate. We also got a variety pack that includes the rough ala which is or the rough Alo, which is coconut flavored for our rochet and the for Ron noir, which is a dark chocolate version.
Molly 21:10
Oh my God, these are so good. Well, good. Yeah. Wow. They're all so good. I loved that coconut one. That's coconut and white chocolate. I really wasn't sure how I was going to feel about it. So good. But honestly, I kind of I need to go back to the original. Yep. Rosie, I want to I want to just pop a whole original. You're gonna pop a whole original pop a whole original. Okay, here we go. I'm gonna unwrap this one myself who I'm having trouble figuring out what angle to start peeling the foil from because it's glued down so squarely to the the liner cup. Okay, wait, hold on. Matthew. Let me set this up. So there's this famous Ferreira rochet ad that aired in the UK in the early 90s. And it is referred to as the ambassador's party ad. And anyway apparently like white British people thought this was a total riot for the way that it portrays for Russia. Sure. sensation.
Matthew Amster-Burton 22:14
Taste
Molly 22:17
you know, it's designed to make for rochet look very fancy and European and very, you know what you would have at an ambassador's reception, but it's
Matthew Amster-Burton 22:27
also like, based on what you were saying it's sort of accurate in the sense that like, it's showing like people of for various nationality. Yeah. Like enjoying this as a special treat. That
Molly 22:39
is what's interesting about it. It could have been like any fancy party, but it's the ambassador's party. Anyway, this ad apparently is a real like pop culture. staple. Sure, in the UK, and it's been parodied lots of times. Anyway, there was even a piece in the New Statesman in like, 2000 that analyze the way that that adds like a message of aspirational wealth and aspirational taste for some people translated into tastelessness for snooty or people Yeah,
Matthew Amster-Burton 23:11
no, they're like walking an interesting line here it I think I think like the the marketing of this product has been brilliant.
Molly 23:19
Yeah, right. Yeah. No, I mean, it's this product is so much more interesting than I thought it was. Yeah.
Matthew Amster-Burton 23:24
And I just popped a hole one and that is the way to eat it. I think. Oh, I
Molly 23:28
don't know I really liked it when you cut it in half. Oh, yeah. No, that
Matthew Amster-Burton 23:30
was that was it was great to see the cross section of the hazelnut but like to get that whole ball in your mouth and like have it implode under under the power of your jaw. Can
Molly 23:39
we open one more coconut one? Sorry, these are so good. Okay, I highly recommend the assortment where you get the the dark chocolate the regular and the white chocolate coconut
Matthew Amster-Burton 23:51
one but I also highly recommend the Christmas tree one. Yeah, just because
Molly 23:55
it's a Christmas tree. Yeah, you know what I do wish though. I wish that it had plastic across the front because now that you've peeled off the plastic
Matthew Amster-Burton 24:03
now like squirrels can get now squirrels can get
Molly 24:06
this this habit a nut in the middle. Is it a macadamia nut or something? Oh, oh my god. I love his coconut one. Oh my god. This is incredible.
Matthew Amster-Burton 24:19
Oh, it's California almond huh? Whatever.
Molly 24:22
I just taste the coconut. Yeah, the I'm here for
Matthew Amster-Burton 24:25
the cream in the middle is so soft, like melts immediately when it hits your tongue. Ah, love it. Like I I wasn't sure if I was gonna I didn't think I was gonna dislike these leaves but I thought I might be like snooty about the like quality the chocolate or something but like these are better than Lindor balls because
Molly 24:43
of the crunchiness Yeah, big time. The texture is a is a hugely important part. Yeah, I do still love Lindor balls. Wow. Okay, Matthew, that was really, really great. So
Matthew Amster-Burton 24:53
I guess I'm gonna start giving these as gifts.
Molly 24:56
Cool, Joe? Yeah, no, it's it's an affordable It's an affordable luxury.
Matthew Amster-Burton 25:01
Yeah, I hear I hear your son's birthday is coming on Yeah.
Molly 25:04
And God knows Giovanni Ferreira Oh needs our money.
Matthew Amster-Burton 25:08
That's right. Got it. Gotta help that guy who will who will think of the tycoons? Who will think
Molly 25:13
of the tycoons as poor tycoons. Okay, Matthew, do we have some spilled mail today?
Matthew Amster-Burton 25:20
We do and I'm really excited about this one
so this from listener Erica who writes Hello, Matthew and Molly. Last week I listened to your sunbae episode while wandering around Tokyo where I live. I recently received a sent by Santa Fe from a friend as part of her wedding favors. She's from Choshi and I was excited to discover that she had indeed given me a wet Sam bay that you talked about in your episode. I don't have to take the long ride out to Chiba to experience it. Was it the most delicious thing ever? Not quite. But I did enjoy it after learning the history of it on your episode. Thank you for all of your good work. Cheers, Eric. Oh, that
Molly 25:56
is delightful. So
Matthew Amster-Burton 25:58
this was we talked about on the on the Sunday rice cracker episode how like this little tiny train line in Chiba prefecture like, revitalized itself by selling a particular local stem bay that is wet. Which I still haven't tried. But I really want to
Molly 26:14
know I'm fascinated by it. Like, because the whole idea of sunbae is like this crispy. Yeah, thing. Anyway, very interesting. All
Matthew Amster-Burton 26:23
right. And so I'm so glad that you shared this with us, Erica.
Molly 26:26
Thank you. Thank you, Matthew. I have an Albert Wow.
So, you know, I'm aware that it's now after the holiday season, but honestly, we're recording this episode before the holiday season. And anyway, it's never too early to think about next year's holiday see so
Matthew Amster-Burton 26:47
true. You know, it's never out of season. Good music.
Molly 26:51
That's right. And what I'm about to mention is excellent muse. Okay, the 2015 holiday album by Sharon Jones and the DAP kings called it's a holiday soul party.
Matthew Amster-Burton 27:02
Okay, what are we getting on there? Song wise.
Molly 27:04
Oh, okay. It starts out with a Hanukkah song. And then hold on, and then it's got a song about chimneys. Now, I'm losing track of the tracklisting I can't go much more serious. There's
Matthew Amster-Burton 27:15
a song about chimneys. Yes. The
Molly 27:17
second song is about chimneys, or about something coming down or going up the chimney.
Matthew Amster-Burton 27:21
Yeah. Things going up the chimney. Anyway. Sharon
Molly 27:25
Jones passed away in 2016. Yeah, but this holiday album is absolute timeless joy. And this band was part of sort of a, a whole soul revival. It's fantastic. So go ahead. And no, I don't know. Save it on Spotify or wherever you listen to music. Put it on now. Just go ahead and put it on. It's so good. It is seriously I am like, I'm really cranky about Christmas music. I kind of really like choral Christmas muse. Oh, that's not what I know. No, I'm very I'm very weird. All right. I like I like to really throw it back like Cambridge singers style. Wow. Anyway, but this album is pure delight. And I already can't wait for the holidays to come around again. So I can listen to it some more. Okay,
Matthew Amster-Burton 28:15
well here here where we are like recording a couple of weeks ahead of when you hear this. It's not Christmas yet. And so even even by the standards of producer Abby who's very particular about these sorts of things, we are allowed to listen to it. Yes,
Molly 28:29
yes. Speaking of producer Abby, she's our producer. Her full name is Abby circuit tele.
Matthew Amster-Burton 28:35
And speaking of good things, Molly has a newsletter called I've got a feeling that's available at Molly Weisenberg. Got substack.com We don't have to talk about my music this week. Like it's not as good as Sharon Jones is music. So let's let's let's share a few
Molly 28:50
things are okay. You can rate and review us wherever you get your podcasts and
Matthew Amster-Burton 28:54
you can catch up with other listeners at everything spilled milk.reddit.com where you can you can talk about like, you know what, which is your favorite for our rochet flavor. Have you ever given or received it as a gift? And what's a food that's usually crispy, but you've had a wet version of it or is there a wet wet for air? Shea
Molly 29:16
it's a wet rock. It's a wet rock. Yeah.
Matthew Amster-Burton 29:18
Real shame. Whoo. Yay.
Molly 29:20
Oh, yes. Nice one, man. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm
Matthew Amster-Burton 29:28
thanks for listening to spellbound guy, Molly
Unknown Speaker 29:30
Weissenberg. And
Matthew Amster-Burton 29:31
I'm the international super criminal of crochet Maria. Hi.
I'm Matthew.
Molly 29:44
And I'm Molly and
Matthew Amster-Burton 29:44
this is spilled milk. Wherever.
Molly 29:47
Whoa, okay. I believe in you. Thanks. Here we go.